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Wednesday, September 28th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Sep 27 2016, 05:00 PM (14,331 Views)
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laurondo
Sep 28 2016, 07:03 PM
lysie
Sep 28 2016, 06:54 PM
I just think it was a really bad move to have Claire held at gunpoint Monday and still wanting to go out on her own on Wednesday.
It makes her come off looking like a complete idiot. Because c'mon, who would do that
Well, a totally self-absorbed clueless teenager probably.
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when did sonny meet claire
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HoritaFan
Sep 29 2016, 12:37 AM
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Sep 29 2016, 12:28 AM
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Sep 29 2016, 12:19 AM

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Can't speak for anyone else but the slow burn for them means more air time and I actually care about this couple. I like both characters and want it to work. Phelle was awful and hopping into bed almost immediately after she cheated on Shawn just made it worse. Deimos is flat out terrible with women. Again not many care other than the fact that it made all three women look desperate.

On the other hand going slow, building properly, watching Sonny and Paul fight their attraction because of their history is interesting. Despite the wtfery of their scenes today the were sizzling. I want more layered conversations. Awkward meetings and just flat out denial of their attraction because eventually the payoff will be even better for it. See Chad/Abby and how long that took. We didn't get them long enough but months of angst made for a great story.
Don't get me wrong. I agree that if they do put PaulSon together they need to take their time and develop it a little. But there does seem to be a bit of a double standard here too.

I haven't seen today's ep so I reserve judgment on how "sizzling" the scene today was. As y'all know those two together bore me to tears though I like them individually
JMO but I don`t get the "double-standard" you mentioned.

I like that Paul & Sonny are moving slow. It makes them seem like a smart, mature couple.
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Hugo
Sep 29 2016, 06:35 AM
laurondo
Sep 29 2016, 04:25 AM
Hugo
Sep 29 2016, 02:50 AM
Those are the same people who kissed (and probably had sex) the very first night they met in San Fransisco.
There's kind of a huge difference between when they first met and now, especially when you take into consideration what happened between them and Will last year and the fact that Will died.
Maybe the writers should make a better job at explaining what is holding Sonny back because I don't really understand it. It's been a year since Will died and Sonny said he doesn't blame Paul for his marriage falling apart. I don't see any major obstacle. It feels that they are not together just because.
A year is not really that long when you've lost someone you love. I imagine if they were murdered it'd hit you even harder, Idk
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Sep 29 2016, 12:27 PM
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Sep 29 2016, 12:28 AM

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Don't get me wrong. I agree that if they do put PaulSon together they need to take their time and develop it a little. But there does seem to be a bit of a double standard here too.

I haven't seen today's ep so I reserve judgment on how "sizzling" the scene today was. As y'all know those two together bore me to tears though I like them individually
JMO but I don`t get the "double-standard" you mentioned.

I like that Paul & Sonny are moving slow. It makes them seem like a smart, mature couple.
The double standard in the realistic portrayal of gay couples on daytime is long standing. It was over a year (for example) between Luke & Noah first & second kiss on ATWT (& that was only after fans protested by sending bags of Hershey kisses to CBS). It was (again) a year or longer before Kyle & Oliver kissed or slept together on OLTL. It was a year or longer before WilSon's first kiss and then another year before they slept together. Meanwhile (as I already mentioned) hetero characters are going at it like dogs in heat (JJ & Eve, Thrady, Belle & Philip, Deimos) with little consequence besides the occasional inconvenient pregnancy
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Sep 29 2016, 08:54 PM
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Sep 29 2016, 12:27 PM
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JMO but I don`t get the "double-standard" you mentioned.

I like that Paul & Sonny are moving slow. It makes them seem like a smart, mature couple.
The double standard in the realistic portrayal of gay couples on daytime is long standing. It was over a year (for example) between Luke & Noah first & second kiss on ATWT (& that was only after fans protested by sending bags of Hershey kisses to CBS). It was (again) a year or longer before Kyle & Oliver kissed or slept together on OLTL. It was a year or longer before WilSon's first kiss and then another year before they slept together. Meanwhile (as I already mentioned) hetero characters are going at it like dogs in heat (JJ & Eve, Thrady, Belle & Philip, Deimos) with little consequence besides the occasional inconvenient pregnancy
But...you're referencing couples that aren't really high level couples. And you were accusing US of having a double standard earlier, not the writers. Asking for a slow burn is a pretty common thing in soap discussion. In general, the couples they want to be lasting have a much slower start than the others. And at least with Days, they seem to be opposed to long term couples nowadays so it's rare in general for them to tell that kind of story.
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JMO but I don`t get the "double-standard" you mentioned.

I like that Paul & Sonny are moving slow. It makes them seem like a smart, mature couple.
The double standard in the realistic portrayal of gay couples on daytime is long standing. It was over a year (for example) between Luke & Noah first & second kiss on ATWT (& that was only after fans protested by sending bags of Hershey kisses to CBS). It was (again) a year or longer before Kyle & Oliver kissed or slept together on OLTL. It was a year or longer before WilSon's first kiss and then another year before they slept together. Meanwhile (as I already mentioned) hetero characters are going at it like dogs in heat (JJ & Eve, Thrady, Belle & Philip, Deimos) with little consequence besides the occasional inconvenient pregnancy
I understand what you're saying, actually, but I don't think we'll have to wait a year for PaulSon to finally happen. If recent-ish pictures and speculation tells us anything, they were at least on a date around the time the show was filming for Valentine's day.
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Sep 29 2016, 08:54 PM
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Sep 29 2016, 12:27 PM
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JMO but I don`t get the "double-standard" you mentioned.

I like that Paul & Sonny are moving slow. It makes them seem like a smart, mature couple.
The double standard in the realistic portrayal of gay couples on daytime is long standing. It was over a year (for example) between Luke & Noah first & second kiss on ATWT (& that was only after fans protested by sending bags of Hershey kisses to CBS). It was (again) a year or longer before Kyle & Oliver kissed or slept together on OLTL. It was a year or longer before WilSon's first kiss and then another year before they slept together. Meanwhile (as I already mentioned) hetero characters are going at it like dogs in heat (JJ & Eve, Thrady, Belle & Philip, Deimos) with little consequence besides the occasional inconvenient pregnancy
Will & Sonny's first real kiss (I don't count the one where Sonny ambushed Will after the Daysaster) was 9-21-12. They had sex for the first time less than two months later on 9-14-12 and it only took them that long because they got cock-blocked by Lucas when they first tried to get together. Yeah, not anywhere close to a year.
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Sep 28 2016, 06:51 PM
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Sep 28 2016, 05:34 PM
From watching the Paul/Sonny scene in the end, well not the very end, just before the flashback and just after...I wondered, is Sonny wanting Paul to make the first move??? Sonny you might have to make that move yourself!
I don't know why so many people want their relationship to be so rushed. Nothing good is ever rushed, am I right?
I don't want rushed just some realism. It's absolutely absurd that a person in Paul's position would endure a year of celibacy and eschew any romantic opportunities for an even longer period just for Sonny. Do we even know how long their first relationship lasted?

I think Freddie needs to add some sex-appeal to Sonny and not only when dealing with Paul. For some reason, network TV refuses to show gay men as sexual beings especially when comes to their dealings with heterosexual men. I think it all about trying to be p.c. and trying to avoid the "gay man as a sexual predator" myth.

I for one would it love if the show wrote some sexy banter for Chad and Sonny. Of course, nothing could come of it but at least we could see Sonny exercising his sexuality in a non-sexual way instead of him always being so straight-acting.
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wallflower
Sep 29 2016, 12:27 PM
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Sep 29 2016, 12:37 AM
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Sep 29 2016, 12:28 AM

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Don't get me wrong. I agree that if they do put PaulSon together they need to take their time and develop it a little. But there does seem to be a bit of a double standard here too.

I haven't seen today's ep so I reserve judgment on how "sizzling" the scene today was. As y'all know those two together bore me to tears though I like them individually
JMO but I don`t get the "double-standard" you mentioned.

I like that Paul & Sonny are moving slow. It makes them seem like a smart, mature couple.
IRL ok. On a soap....BORING. :sleep2:

TPTB should turn Sonny into a sexy schemer aka the gay version of Nicole. That was kind of the direction they were going with Will before they threw that character over the cliff.
Edited by seanny, Sep 30 2016, 01:16 AM.
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Sep 29 2016, 08:54 PM
wallflower
Sep 29 2016, 12:27 PM
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Sep 29 2016, 12:37 AM

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JMO but I don`t get the "double-standard" you mentioned.

I like that Paul & Sonny are moving slow. It makes them seem like a smart, mature couple.
The double standard in the realistic portrayal of gay couples on daytime is long standing. It was over a year (for example) between Luke & Noah first & second kiss on ATWT (& that was only after fans protested by sending bags of Hershey kisses to CBS). It was (again) a year or longer before Kyle & Oliver kissed or slept together on OLTL. It was a year or longer before WilSon's first kiss and then another year before they slept together. Meanwhile (as I already mentioned) hetero characters are going at it like dogs in heat (JJ & Eve, Thrady, Belle & Philip, Deimos) with little consequence besides the occasional inconvenient pregnancy
Ericole went at least 15 months before their first kiss.

JJ/Eve were plot point for Jaige, I believe Philip/Belle were plot point for Shelle. They would be comparable to Paul and Will, who did not take long before they kissed and hopped into bed. It's a good thing that they're not rushing Paul and Sonny, hopefully it means the writers care about the pairing, I don't think it has anything to do with them being gay or there being a double standard.
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Sep 30 2016, 01:03 AM
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Sep 28 2016, 06:51 PM
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Sep 28 2016, 05:34 PM
From watching the Paul/Sonny scene in the end, well not the very end, just before the flashback and just after...I wondered, is Sonny wanting Paul to make the first move??? Sonny you might have to make that move yourself!
I don't know why so many people want their relationship to be so rushed. Nothing good is ever rushed, am I right?
I don't want rushed just some realism. It's absolutely absurd that a person in Paul's position would endure a year of celibacy and eschew any romantic opportunities for an even longer period just for Sonny. Do we even know how long their first relationship lasted?

I think Freddie needs to add some sex-appeal to Sonny and not only when dealing with Paul. For some reason, network TV refuses to show gay men as sexual beings especially when comes to their dealings with heterosexual men. I think it all about trying to be p.c. and trying to avoid the "gay man as a sexual predator" myth.

I for one would it love if the show wrote some sexy banter for Chad and Sonny. Of course, nothing could come of it but at least we could see Sonny exercising his sexuality in a non-sexual way instead of him always being so straight-acting.
Yes, I agree.

It's funny...according to the Billy Flynn (to Dishin' Days), the few instances of Chad banter (the recent scene with Sonny when he quipped about being str8, the times he's kissed Will or Sonny's foreheas, etc.) with WilSon were improvised & he was surprised they kept it
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Restless84
Sep 28 2016, 10:33 PM
I enjoyed the Chad and Jennifer scenes for the most part and love that Chad had a clock set to when Abby said "Yes" to his marriage proposal. Hopefully he'll still be able to give her that watch in March. The only thing here I didn't like is that Jennifer telling Chad that time moves on is obviously the show trying to move him on with another woman. Move on with your life sure, but it's too soon for another relationship when you have supposedly lost the love of your life.
That's definitely true that their scenes have bearing on potential Chad/Gabi things, especially with the way they cut right to JJ and Gabi after Jennifer told Chad that. But I do think that they aren't trying to have Chad move on totally. They want him to be caught between Gabi and Abby when she comes back. I get that it still bugs you though (of course). Personally I think they should be talking more about Abby together instead of their childhood together, it would flow better from where Chad's mind has been at all this time.

One thing I really did enjoy despite the above is when Chad first arrived, he doesn't have a purpose going out without Thomas, and Jennifer says "You're just transport now, nobody cares about you any more". It's not a cookie cutter piece of dialogue, they're really sticking with Jennifer as someone who feels purposeless now that her kids are grown. I can't wait to see how it leads up to her reporting again, and I loved how awkwardly Chad reacted to that, as if he's just learning something revealing about his mother-in-law (and maybe why she acted the way she did about Thomas).




The aggravating thing about Marlena betraying doctor-patient confidence in this episode is that I don't see how it was at all necessary for the plot. It was just supposed to show that Marlena was in with the rest of the team, I think, but that was obvious anyway.
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I agree that the show wants Chad to feel caught between the 2 women. That's where the writing is going to have to get really smart for this to be a good story. What with Chad being a married man and all. I can't help but think this will be a Chad/Melanie/Abby repeat. With Melanie/Gabi being the "fun" one while Abby will be the one with all the drama going on. It won't be entertaining to watch another Shelle/Phelle scenario, at least for me. But that's just my 2 cents which isn't worth even that much!
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Jamiesims918
Oct 2 2016, 08:01 PM
I agree that the show wants Chad to feel caught between the 2 women. That's where the writing is going to have to get really smart for this to be a good story. What with Chad being a married man and all. I can't help but think this will be a Chad/Melanie/Abby repeat. With Melanie/Gabi being the "fun" one while Abby will be the one with all the drama going on. It won't be entertaining to watch another Shelle/Phelle scenario, at least for me. But that's just my 2 cents which isn't worth even that much!
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